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[honestguest]

This is a f**king disgrace. Do you know how many hundreds of years it took for people to get the vote in this country? Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of people have died to protect that right? I know Billy Bragg is a socialist (and I respect that is his democratic right) but it doesn't mean he has to be as ruthless and corrupt as Stalin. How dare people use their vote in such a dishonest and corrupt way - it is fascist and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.

[I bet this message will be removed within a day - you f**king fascists]

[lillythepinksmed...]

This is a f**king disgrace.  Do you know how many hundreds of years it took for people to get the vote in this country?  Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of people have died to protect that right?  I know Billy Bragg is a socialist (and I respect that is his democratic right) but it doesn't mean he has to be as ruthless and corrupt as Stalin.  How dare people use their vote in such a dishonest and corrupt way - it is fascist and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.

[I bet this message will be removed within a day - you f**king fascists]

oh please. leave this to the grown ups!

[ChrisCawsey]

Hi

Chill out my friend. Consider this, those heros who died for the vote, how do you think they'd be voting today?.

http://www.tolpuddlemartyrs.org.uk/

Tactical Voting follows in the tradition of grass roots political organisation, not against it.

In Solidarity

Chris Cawsey
Operation 555.
North Devon Branch.

[nightingale]

don't like your language but do like your sentiments, do those who use tactical voting realise they are asking to elect a man who cannot remember what the truth is? 8 yrs ago I would have said to anyone who suggested that we tactical vote to get a government that will lie, and call it spin. into government, behave this is england we have a fair vote and who would vote for a blatent liar (IMG:http://www.votedorset.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Not to mention they would have more dodgy doners to the party than the other parties hosted hot dinners, or have a MP whoforgets they had a £300.000.00 loan.

But that is exactly what Billy Bragg wants you to do, and if not the next best thing is to vote in a man that has a drink problem. so Billy Bragg wants you to make a choice to vote in a liar or a problem drinker. What a choice Billy!!!

[Foneldar]

Take heart from the fact that there are only 14 "sheep" who have signed up here. It's a great shame they are of such low intelligence that they have subscribed to this hairbrained idea.

People have a democratic right to vote for whichever political party they choose. If you don't like the political persuasion in Dorset then you really should relocate to an area which better reflects your political opinion rather than try to beat the system with this vote-cheating.

[whitesmith]

As an overseas observer of the election, it occurs to me that all of you who are so passionate about the pros and cons of tactical voting should consider putting more of your passion into fighting for proportional representation and less into bagging those trying to make a difference within such an arcane system as first past the post voting.

And as the most likely cause of a Labour defeat will be people failing to vote rather than true support for the Tories, is it not time to consider the introduction of compulsory voting?

A lowly colonial

[thenorthumbrian]

As an overseas observer of the election, it occurs to me that all of you who are so passionate about the pros and cons of tactical voting should consider putting more of your passion into fighting for proportional representation and less into bagging those trying to make a difference within such an arcane system as first past the post voting.

And as the most likely cause of a Labour defeat will be people failing to vote rather than true support for the Tories, is it not time to consider the introduction of compulsory voting? 

A lowly colonial

I do not believe in forcing people to vote if the do not want to.
But I would quite happily vote swap to keep out a tory canditate. In the constituency where I live Labour have a very big majority and good hard working Labour MP and I am more than pleased to give him my vote again.
But if I lived in an area where the Liberal Democrats had a chance of unseating a sitting tory MP I would switch my vote without any problem.

[Anti-Tory]

As an overseas observer of the election, it occurs to me that all of you who are so passionate about the pros and cons of tactical voting should consider putting more of your passion into fighting for proportional representation and less into bagging those trying to make a difference within such an arcane system as first past the post voting.

And as the most likely cause of a Labour defeat will be people failing to vote rather than true support for the Tories, is it not time to consider the introduction of compulsory voting? 

A lowly colonial

I do not believe in forcing people to vote if the do not want to.
But I would quite happily vote swap to keep out a tory canditate. In the constituency where I live Labour have a very big majority and good hard working Labour MP and I am more than pleased to give him my vote again.
But if I lived in an area where the Liberal Democrats had a chance of unseating a sitting tory MP I would switch my vote without any problem.

Quite right.

These Tories who are posting further up the thread are simply frightened at the potential of tactical voting to wipe the Tory Party off the face of the political globe in Britain.

There's nothing high-minded in their attitudes towards this at all. It's fear... naked fear.

As for a certain party leader having a 'drink problem', I suppose he isn't thinking of Thatcher, who it was reported was drunk for most of the Falklands war? As for liars, I remember Westland only too clearly.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and this means Tories should keep very quiet indeed.

[Teflon]

This is a f**king disgrace.  Do you know how many hundreds of years it took for people to get the vote in this country?  Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of people have died to protect that right?

So which people died fighting for the right to a vote that counts for nothing?

The years of struggle were for everyone to have a vote of equal value, not for a system where most people vote for a candidate that loses.

[Anti-Tory]

This is a f**king disgrace.  Do you know how many hundreds of years it took for people to get the vote in this country?  Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of people have died to protect that right?

So which people died fighting for the right to a vote that counts for nothing?

The years of struggle were for everyone to have a vote of equal value, not for a system where most people vote for a candidate that loses.

It's always interesting to read postings by people who call themselves 'honest', 'dispassionate' and so on. It usually means they are nothing of the sort.

The figure of 'hundreds of thousands' is most definitely an exaggeration if the writer is thinking of Britain only.

Anyway, the fact that we have the vote means we can do with it as we wish. That is the point. Of course i prefer to see people use their votes, and am dismayed at the level of voter abstention. But if people wish to use their votes in support of a political party simply to deny a Tory the chance to get elected, that's fine by me. After what that party did in their 18 years in power to shaft this country and its people, all the while piling up fortunes for their friends, they deserve everything they get.

And no grotty Tory posing as a high-minded and dispassionate observer will convince me otherwise.

[AndyM]

This is a f**king disgrace.  Do you know how many hundreds of years it took for people to get the vote in this country?  Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of people have died to protect that right?
...blah....blah....blah....

<yawn>
Are you complaining about what you appear to percieve as undemocratic manipulation of the voting system (in a way which is apparently quite legal), or do you just feel outraged that people are trying to get the best use of their vote in a flawed system to defeat the Tories?

I wonder which party you support? (IMG:http://www.votedorset.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

As others have pointed out, most votes don't achieve their aim and under this FPTP system the Tories had power for 18 miserable years (for most of us).

Whatever decent people can do to keep Tories out of power in future should be done with alacrity. (Go on, look it up, 'honest').

The current parliament is the first of my life (three voting decades) where I got the MP I voted for. (IMG:http://www.votedorset.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I'm really hoping that my Dorset LibDem MP can hold on to her seat and continue to represent me. I still remember the huge disappointements of the 80s and early 90s.

[Anti-Tory]

Are you complaining about what you appear to percieve as undemocratic manipulation of the voting system (in a way which is apparently quite legal), or do you just feel outraged that people are trying to get the best use of their vote in a flawed system to defeat the Tories?

I wonder which party you support? (IMG:http://www.votedorset.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

As others have pointed out, most votes don't achieve their aim and under this FPTP system the Tories had power for 18 miserable years (for most of us).

Whatever decent people can do to keep Tories out of power in future should be done with alacrity. (Go on, look it up, 'honest').

The current parliament is the first of my life (three voting decades) where I got the MP I voted for. (IMG:http://www.votedorset.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I'm really hoping that my Dorset LibDem MP can hold on to her seat and continue to represent me. I still remember the huge disappointements of the 80s and early 90s.

[/quote]

Too right.

The Tories simply don't like the fact that decent people are using their votes to avoid a repetition of the unpleasantness the Tories spawned between 1979 and 1997.

Thanks to the fact we have the minimum wage (which Michael Howard opposed, claiming it would cost millions of jobs) we no longer have the awful situation we had where Bone, the Tory PPC for Wellinborough in 97, proudly announced at a Tory conference that he paid one of his employees 87p per hour.

Who was worst, we wonder? Bone for trying and succeeding to get away with paying virtual slave wages? Announcing, with pride, that he was doing just that?

Or the Tories listening to him who applauded his meannness to the rooftops?

If they were ever to be elected, the minimum wage would cease to be relevant as inflation reduced its real value and the Tories failed to increase it.

Nasty, mean scum the lot of them.

I just wish that this site dealt with the New Forest as well and could work to boot out the highly unpleasant MP there, 'Doctor' Julian Lewis. One of the worst of a very nasty bunch.

[Glenn_Oliver]

Take heart from the fact that there are only 14 "sheep" who have signed up here. It's a great shame they are of such low intelligence that they have subscribed to this hairbrained (sic) idea.

People have a democratic right to vote for whichever political party they choose. If you don't like the political persuasion in Dorset then you really should relocate to an area which better reflects your political opinion rather than try to beat the system with this vote-cheating.

People have a democratic right to vote for whichever political party they choose - unless it produces a result you don't like.

Bring in PR, and then people will have the democratic possibility to vote for whichever political party they choose, in the knowledge that their vote will actually count.

[Anti-Tory]

Take heart from the fact that there are only 14 "sheep" who have signed up here. It's a great shame they are of such low intelligence that they have subscribed to this hairbrained (sic) idea.

People have a democratic right to vote for whichever political party they choose. If you don't like the political persuasion in Dorset then you really should relocate to an area which better reflects your political opinion rather than try to beat the system with this vote-cheating.

People have a democratic right to vote for whichever political party they choose - unless it produces a result you don't like.

Bring in PR, and then people will have the democratic possibility to vote for whichever political party they choose, in the knowledge that their vote will actually count.

Typically arrogant Tory remarks by Foneldar, reflecting both his low intelligence and his antagonism to democracy.

Fact is in these Dorset constituencies, and in hundreds of others nationwide, a clear majority of voters are opposed to Tories. That's why they vote for parties other than the Tory Party. It is their right, given that opposition, to vote for whoever they like in an effort to ensure the Tory candidate does not get elected.

Obviously the various anti-Tory tactical voting campaigns ARE producing results Foneldar does not like. Excellent. Why should people move, when instead they can stay where they are, vote against the Tories, and have a Parliamentary representative more in tune with their ideas?

As importantly, they are doing the country a service by making it just that much harder for the Tories to win an election.

[B Johnson]

Hello there,

I am rather drunk and I’ve been thinking!

I’m seriously considering defecting to the Lib Dems in the next parliament, what do make of that? What’s that? Oh! nothing.

You have until I sober up to tell me whether or not I should reconsider! Ha Hah. There you have it!

What’s that?

B Johnson
“Tory Scum”

[Glenn_Oliver]

Hello there,

I am rather drunk and I’ve been thinking!

I’m seriously considering defecting to the Lib Dems in the next parliament, what do make of that? What’s that? Oh! nothing.

You have until I sober up to tell me whether or not I should reconsider! Ha Hah. There you have it!

What’s that?

B Johnson
“former Tory”

Yes, Boris.

You show every sign of being a progressive politician and an interesting and decent human being.

So you are entirely wasted in the Tory desert, and would be most welcome to join the Liberal Democrats.

Kind regards,
Glenn

This post has been edited by Glenn_Oliver: May 6 2005, 12:35 PM

[libdemswilloneda...]

BORING!!!!!!! football is the best, i love ronaldinho, he should be the next prime minister. thanks, zinedine. x